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Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves. For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How a Professional Writer Writes With AI

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When Katie Parrott was laid off from her job as an editor and ghostwriter at a crypto firm in 2023, she couldn’t afford a career coach. So she signed up for a $20-a-month ChatGPT subscription instead–a decision that turned around her career, and nearly everything else, inclu...

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A $10B Hedge Fund’s AI Playbook (Best of the Pod)

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Will England is the CEO of Walleye Capital, a hedge fund managing nearly $10 billion in assets. An engineer by training with a math background from Oxford, he has spent his career at the intersection of machines and markets—and has made AI fluency mandatory for all 400 emplo...

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The AI Alien Companion App That's Bringing In $4M a Year (Best of the Pod)

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LLMs are a new medium for storytelling.That’s according to the creators of Portola, the company behind Tolan: an embodied AI companion that lives on its own planet and chats to you with a distinct personality. In 2025, Portola's founder and CEO Quinten Farmer and Head of Stor...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Microsoft’s Vision for an Internet Made for Agents With CTO Kevin Scott (Best of the Pod)

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In 2025, Kevin Scott bet that the agentic web would be the next big thing in AI. The Microsoft CTO argued that for agents to be genuinely useful, they'd need to be able to take action on our behalf—which would mean giving them access to the same sprawl of tools, data, and sy...

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Why the Next Hit AI Product Will Be Social Why the Next Hit AI Product Will Be Social (Best of the Pod)

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Most consumer AI so far has been single-player: you and a chatbot, alone. Benchmark partner Sarah Tavel, one of Pinterest's first 30 employees, is betting that's about to change. She's looking for a product genius who can build an AI product with social DNA: status, network ...

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Best of the Pod: Wired's Kevin Kelly on Why AI Is a 50-year Overnight Success

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Kevin Kelly has spent over 30 years experiencing the edge of new technology: from the earliest days of the internet to the first years of Burning Man. But he’s always treated the frontier as a place to visit, not somewhere to live. It’s partially how he’s been able to stay g...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How Every's Team Used AI to Ship Its Biggest Launch Ever

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Yash Poojary, a growth engineer at Every, dropped an idea for a campaign in Slack at 7 p.m. Instead of building it himself, Every’s head of growth Austin Tedesco took a screenshot of the Slack thread, dropped it into Codex, typed "Can you do this?", and went to the gym. By t...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

The Founder of a $1.5B AI Company on What Comes After the First Wave of AI Apps

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“Running a startup is a knife fight whether things are going well or not,” says Chris Pedregal, cofounder and CEO of Granola. Granola recently raised a $125 million series C round at a $1.5 billion valuation on the strength of its AI meeting notetaker. That valuation hasn’t ...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How a Writer Uses AI Without Losing His Voice

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Craig Mod used to pay Campaign Monitor roughly $7,000 a year to send his newsletters. After rebuilding the tool himself with AI, his bill is closer to $150. It’s the kind of thing that convinces him we’re about to enter a “golden age of tool building”—one where anyone can bu...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

The AI Workflows Behind Every's Consulting Team

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Natalia Quintero joined Every as head of consulting with a mandate to bring AI into the workflows of executives at hedge funds, private equity firms, and tech companies. She is also a recent Codex convert—someone who spent months resisting the tool before Dan Shipper’s daily...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Building a School Where AI Models Learn About Humanity

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If scaling laws hold—and Surge AI CEO Edwin Chen believes they do—we’re hurtling toward a future where there’s nothing humans can do that AI can’t do better. When OpenAI’s models disproved an open conjecture posed by mathematician Paul Erdős using novel algebraic geometry te...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

GitHub’s COO Explains Why AI Hasn’t Replaced Developers

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Last year, there were 1 billion commits on GitHub. This year, Kyle Daigle expects that number to exceed 14 billion, a two-component explosion caused by more humans—and their agents—issuing pull requests. In March alone, 17 million pull requests on GitHub were created by agen...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How Anthropic Uses Claude Fable 5 With Mike Krieger

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Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as the cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of AI-native product development as head of Anthropic Labs, the team responsible for figuring out what the most capable AI models ca...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

The SaaS Apocalypse Is a Goldmine With Figma’s Matt Colyer

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The "SaaSpocalypse"—the panic that AI will make software-as-a-service obsolete—hasn't rattled Figma’s Matt Colyer. As the company’s director of product management for developers, he's been building his own agents for two years and is buying more software services than ever.I...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

We Automated Everything With AI and Tripled Our Headcount

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Dan Shipper runs one of the most AI-native companies today. Every has agents embedded in nearly every workflow—“if you swing a stick in our Slack, you're as likely to hit a human as an agent,” he says. And yet the company has grown from four people to 30 since GPT-3 came out...

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Inside Stainless: The Developer Tools Startup Anthropic Just Bought for $300 Million

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If your MCP server has dozens of tools, it's probably built wrong. You need tools that are specific and clear for each use case—but you also can't have too many. This creates an almost impossible tradeoff that most companies don't know how to solve. That's why we interviewed...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Claude Code Can Be Your Second Brain

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From time to time, we will republish episodes that you might have missed. This episode originally aired in September 2025.Noah Brier uses Claude Code as his second brain—it’s the coolest notetaking setup we’ve ever seen. He has Claude running on a server in his basement hook...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

The Secrets of Claude's Platform From the Team Who Built It

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In the future, you’ll be able to accomplish a goal by just giving Claude an outcome and a budget. That’s the direction Anthropic is building in with its new Managed Agents features, announced at this week’s Code with Claude developer event. The basic idea: Claude, wrapped i...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Why We Switched From Claude Code to Codex

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In January, Dan Shipper wrote that whoever wins vibe coding wins how you work on your computer—and OpenAI had some serious catching up to do. Three months and the release of GPT-5.5 later, Codex has more than caught up. Austin Tedesco, Every's head of growth, now spends abou...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How Stripe Is Building for an Agent-native World

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Emily Glassberg Sands leads data and AI at Stripe, which processes roughly 2% of global GDP, giving her a bird’s-eye view into how AI is upending the internet economy. Dan Shipper talked with Glassberg Sands for Every's AI & I about what the data on Stripe's network actua...

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The AI Sandwich: Where Humans Excel in an AI World

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Most frameworks for working with AI agents assume humans should stay in the loop at every phase. That’s the wrong approach, says Cora general manager Kieran Klaassen.Kieran is the creator of Every's AI-native engineering methodology, compound engineering. His four-...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

The AI Model Built for What LLMs Can't Do

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Most AI companies are racing to build bigger LLMs. Eve Bodnia thinks that's the wrong approach. Eve is the founder and CEO of Logical Intelligence, which is developing an alternative to the transformer-based models dominating the industry. Her argument: LLMs’ architecture ma...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

We Gave Every Employee an AI Agent. Here's What Happened.

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While walking to the office, our COO Brandon Gell had his AI agent call him and go over his emails in his inbox one by one. When he arrived, he opened Gmail and confirmed she'd done everything he'd asked. "My jaw is on the floor," he messaged me. That was the moment Every go...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

If SaaS Is Dead, Linear Didn't Get the Memo

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Founded in 2019, Linear is the rare company started pre-ChatGPT to have successfully reinvented itself as an agent-native business. On this episode of AI & I, Dan Shipper sat down with Karri Saarinen, cofounder and CEO of the product management tool, to discuss building ...

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How to Build an Agent-native Product | Mike Krieger

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Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of determining what makes a breakout AI-native product as co-lead of Anthropic Labs. Dan Shipper talked with Krieger for Every’s AI &am...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Kate Lee on Taste, Hiring, and Running Editorial at Every

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Kate Lee has spent her career working with words—first as a literary agent, then in roles at Medium, WeWork, and Stripe. As Every’s editor in chief, she’s been the quiet force behind the newsletter for more than three years. Lately, something has shifted in Kate’s work. Afte...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

We Made a Document Editor Where Humans and AI Work Side by Side

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Every has unveiled a new product, built by CEO Dan Shipper. It's called Proof, a free, open-source, live collaborative document editor built for humans and AI agents to work in together. Proof started as a Mac app designed to show the provenance of AI-written ...

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Meet the Slowest Startup Incubator in the World—Pumping Out Billion-dollar Companies

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Silicon Valley loves billion-dollar moonshots and AI darlings. Sam Gerstenzang and Dan Friedman are doing something different—they're starting medical spas and funeral homes. On this episode of AI & I, Dan Shipper sat down with Gerstenzang and Friedman, partners at Boult...

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Meet the Student With No Teachers, No Homework—Just AI

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Depending on whom you ask, AI is either the best or worst thing that can happen to the next generation. The arguments come from educators, venture capitalists, op-ed writers, and anxious parents—but rarely from the young people in question. On this episode of AI & I, D...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

OpenAI's Codex: This Model Is So Fast It Changes How You Code

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OpenAI’s hottest app isn’t ChatGPT—it’s Codex. In the last few weeks alone, the Codex team shipped a desktop app, GPT-5.3 Codex (a new flagship model), and Spark, the fastest coding model I’ve ever used. Usage has grown fivefold since January, and over a million people now u...