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Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves. For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Arc Had Millions of Users. Why They Left It Behind for Dia. | Josh Miller and Hursh Agrawal, cofounders of The Browser Company

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If you had millions of people using a product you spent years building, would you kill it? That’s exactly what The Browser Company did with Arc. The internet backlash was intense, but cofounders Josh Miller and Hursh Agrawal saw that AI was about to make the web something ...

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How We Built Our AI Email Assistant: A Behind-the-Scenes Look at Cora

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You don’t need to handle your inbox anymore. It’s Cora’s job now.  Cora is the AI chief of staff we built for your email at Every. It’s been in private beta for the last 6 months and currently manages email for 2,500 beta users—and today we’re making it available for a...

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Inside OpenAI: Coaching the People Creating AGI | Joe Hudson, Founder of The Art of Accomplishment

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Joe Hudson is a coach who works with the executives building AGI at OpenAI.  From inside OpenAI, he witnesses the full spectrum of human emotion that comes with bringing something new into the world—the exhilaration, the terror, the weight of it all. He feels these emo...

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How Two Engineers Ship Like a Team of 15 With AI Agents | Kieran Klaassen, Nityesh Agarwal

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If you’re using AI to just write code, you’re missing out. Two engineers at Every shipped six features, five bug fixes, and three infrastructure updates in one week—and they did it by designing workflows with AI agents, where each task makes the next one easier, faster, and...

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The Future of AI in Medicine: From Rules to Intuition | Awais Aftab, Psychiatrist and writer

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OCD treatment changed my life—but it took me a decade of chasing down wrong answers to be diagnosed. In the rush to create scalable treatments, disorders like depression and OCD are squeezed into diagnostic checklists—from which the complexity of the human mind invariably ...

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GitHub CEO on the AI Coding Arms Race: One Agent, 150M+ Devs

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GitHub Copilot has 15 million users—more than Cursor and Windsurf combined. So why does it feel like they're losing the AI coding race? Last week at Microsoft Build, I interviewed the CEO of GitHub Thomas Dohmke to find out. I wanted to know: Is their huge existing user ba...

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Kevin Scott on The Future of Programming, AI Agents, and Microsoft’s Big Bet on the Agentic Web

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I interviewed Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott about the future of agents and software engineering for another special edition of AI & I.  With 41 years of programming behind him, Kevin has lived through nearly every big shift in modern software development. Here’s his cl...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

OpenAI Launches Codex: An Autonomous Programming Agent

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OpenAI just launched Codex, a brand-new coding agent that can build features and fix bugs autonomously. We’ve been testing it at Every for a few days, and I’m impressed. I invited Alexander Embiricos, a member of the OpenAI product staff responsible for Codex, to demo the a...

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The $10B Hedge Fund CEO Who’s Betting Big on AI | Will England, Walleye Capital

podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/how-do-you-use-chat-gpt/episodes/The-10B-Hedge-Fund-CEO-Whos-Betting-Big-on-AI--Will-England--Walleye-Capital-e32qmgs

Will England just pivoted his $10B AUM hedge fund to go all in on AI with a firm-wide email: “I wrote this email using ChatGPT—you should too. As a hedge fund, we should be ashamed to leave money on the table by ignoring AI.” It’s working: 75% of his 400-person team are usin...

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Jhana Meditation Silenced Her Mind—And Changed Her View On AI | Nadia Asparouhova, Author and researcher

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After two Jhana meditation retreats Nadia Asparouhova could silence her mind, change her emotional state at will, and even intentionally slip out of consciousness. It challenged the idea that our minds are not under our control—and made her wonder if we’re more like AI than ...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

The Next AI Wave Will Be Social, Not Solo | Sarah Tavel, Benchmark and ex-Pinterest

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Sarah Tavel thinks it's criminal that ChatGPT isn’t inherently social. There’s no easy way to discover great prompts or share the ones that worked. As a venture partner at Benchmark, Sarah believes that the next wave of consumer AI will be built on this missing social layer...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How to Predict the Future With Kevin Kelly, WIRED's Cofounder

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Kevin Kelly has spent more time thinking about the future than almost anyone else. From VR in the 1980s to the blockchain in the 2000s—and now generative AI—Kevin has spent a lifetime journeying to the frontiers of technology, only to return with rich stories about what’s n...

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This AI Alien Will Bring In $4 Million This Year in Revenue - Ep. 56 with Quinten Farmer and Eliot Peper

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500K people are confiding in an AI alien—and it's on track to generate $4M this year. It’s called a Tolan: an animated AI character that can talk to you like your best friend. The company behind it, Portola, has 4x’d their ARR in the last month from viral growth on TikTok a...

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An Inside Look at Every’s Design Philosophy - Ep. 55 with Lucas Crespo

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This episode is sponsored by Vanta. Achieving SOC 2 compliance can help you win bigger deals, enter new markets, and deepen trust with your customers—but it can cost you real time and money. Vanta automates up to 90% of the work for SOC 2, ISO 27001, and more, getting you au...

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Being Human in the Age of Intelligent Machines - Ep. 54 with Dr. Alan Lightman

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Our sponsor for this episode is Microsoft. Want seamless collaboration without the cost? Microsoft Teams offers a robust free plan for individuals that delivers unlimited chat, 60-minute video meetings, and file sharing—all within one intuitive workspace that keeps your proj...

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He’s Using AI to Optimize His Life - Ep. 53 with Jonny Miller

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Jonny Miller uploaded his entire life to ChatGPT to use it as the ultimate AI coach.  He created what he calls a Codex Vitae—with core personality traits, values, goals, burnout signals and more to load into ChatGPT. It hyper-customizes his responses, to help him acces...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

I Interviewed New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy about AI - Ep. 52 with Governor Phil Murphy

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I interviewed the Governor of New Jersey Phil Murphy. We spent an hour talking about his vision for AI in government, economic development, and the regulatory challenges ahead. His approach is refreshingly pragmatic:  Spark real innovation at scale. Governor Murphy is...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Prompt Your Way To Personal Growth - Ep. 51 with Steve Schlafman

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Steve Schlafman is using a $20 ChatGPT subscription to expand his consciousness. He’s doing this through: Advanced dream work—Steve records himself talking about his dreams every morning, uploads the transcript to ChatGPT, and prompts the LLM to analyze it like a Jungian dr...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How AI Startups Can Win With Better Strategy - Ep. 50 with Mike Maples

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Our sponsor for this episode is Microsoft. Want seamless collaboration without the cost? Microsoft Teams offers a robust free plan for individuals that delivers unlimited chat, 60-minute video meetings, and file sharing—all within one intuitive workspace that keeps your proj...

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He Built an AI Audience Simulator. It’s the Future of Customer Research. - Ep. 49 with Michael Taylor

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Michael Taylor has perfected the art of getting AI to speak in tongues. He’s taught it to mimic the voices of your customers—so you can see how they would respond before you ship. Michael is the creator of Rally, a market research tool that lets you simulate an audience of ...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How Nat Eliason Made $200,000 in a Week Teaching AI - Ep. 48

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Nat Eliason’s career arc is borderline absurd—but it works.  In the last five years, he ran an SEO agency, got into crypto, made $600,000 from a course on the note-taking toolRoam Research, flipped real estate in Austin for a 6x return, and published abook with Random ...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Vercel’s Guillermo Rauch on What Comes After Coding - Ep. 47

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Guillermo Rauch is one of the most prolific coders of this generation.  But he doesn’t think of himself as a coder anymore.  Coding, he says, is a specific skill that AI is becoming great at. Instead, he thinks the future of coding is more holistic, full-stack engi...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How to Prepare for AGI According to Reid Hoffman - Ep. 46

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AGI is coming. Reid Hoffman just wrote the book on how to prepare. According to Reid, every major tech breakthrough (the written word, the printing press, the telephone) triggered mass fear. But, contrary to our worries, new technology tends to enhance human agency—even more...

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The Venture Capitalist Who Finds the Best AI Products—Before They Win - Ep. 45 with Nabeel Hyatt

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Nabeel Hyatt is looking for the “Japanese toilets” of AI—products that delight users in unexpected ways. As a partner at Spark Capital, that investment philosophy has paid off. Despite making only 1-2 investments a year, he’s picked some of the biggest winners in AI so far: ...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

An Inside Look at Building an Email Client in 3 Months - Ep. 44 with Kieran Klaassen, Brandon Gell

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Building an email client used to take many years and millions of dollars. But Every’s Kieran Klaassen built Cora—a totally new way to manage your inbox with AI—in just 3 months. He even shipped the original MVP of the product in a single day—something that just wasn’t possib...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

How AI Will Change Science Forever - Ep. 43 with Alice Albrecht

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AI is going to change science forever. Small scale studies will give way to large scale open data gathering efforts. We’ll shift from seeking broad general theories to making contextual predictions in individual cases. The traditional research paper will change fundamentall...

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The Secret to Building Sticky AI Products - Ep. 42 with Chris Pedregal

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Chris Pedregal knows how to build AI products that people love. Chris is the cofounder and CEO of Granola, an AI notepad for meetings. We use it all the time at Every—Granola listens in on a meeting and, when it ends, generates notes and a shareable transcript for anyone who...

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Audio • Dan Shipper

Do 60-Minute Coding Tasks in 60 Seconds—With AI - Ep. 41 with Steve Krouse

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Here’s the most compelling benchmark of AI progress:  A task that took 60 minutes a year ago now takes 60 seconds. In January 2024, Geoffrey Litt and I spent an hour coaxing ChatGPT and Replit to build an app live on my podcast.12 months later, Steve Krouse and I built ...

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How We Incubate and Launch New Products With AI - Ep. 40 with Danny Aziz, Brandon Gell

podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/how-do-you-use-chat-gpt/episodes/How-We-Incubate-and-Launch-New-Products-With-AI---Ep--40-with-Danny-Aziz--Brandon-Gell-e2rivhg

Over the last few months at Every, we’ve: Launched two AI products Acquired tens of thousands of users Released a new incubation in private alpha The weird thing is: We’re a media company with < 10 full-time employees, and we’re mostly bootstrapped. That’s...

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His GPT Wrapper Has Half a Million Users—And Keeps Growing - Ep. 39 with Vicente Silveira

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Everyone told Vicente Silveira that his startup—a GPT wrapper—would fail.  Instead, one year later, it’s thriving—with about 500,000 registered users, nearly 3,000 paying subscribers, and over 2 million conversations in the GPT store.  Vicente is the cofounder and ...