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Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves. For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.

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• Dan Shipper

Best of the Pod: Claude Code - How Two Engineers Ship Like a Team of 15

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If you’re using AI to just write code, you’re missing out. Two engineers at Every shipped six features, five bug fixes, and three infrastructure updates in one week—and they did it by designing workflows with AI agents, where each task makes the next one easier, faster, and...

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Building AI Agents to Launch a Million Businesses

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01:05:49
Henrik Werdelin wants to launch a million businesses that each make $1M—and he’s doing it with AI. After helping launch Barkbox and Ro Health through his incubator Prehype, Henrik is distilling everything he knows into Audos, a platform that helps you use AI agents to turn y...

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What Jason Fried Learned from 26 Years of Building Great Products

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37signals makes tens of millions in profit every year but Jason Fried isn’t all that interested in running a business. Instead, he cares most about making great products—like Basecamp, HEY, and Ruby on Rails—products that are centered around a single, coherent idea. These pr...

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How Salesforce Is Using AI to Power the Enterprise

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This episode contains sponsored content in partnership with Salesforce. At Dreamforce 2025, Every CEO Dan Shipper sat down with Silvio Savarese, chief AI scientist at Salesforce, to discuss how one of the world’s largest software companies is shaping the future of AI for th...

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Inside Claude Code From the Engineers Who Built It

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At Every, the team credits Claude Code with transforming the way they work. They now ship to codebases they barely know, each new feature makes the next easier to build, and even non-technical teammates confidently use the terminal. To explore how this happened, AI & I h...

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Spiral: Designing an AI Ghostwriter With Taste

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Good writing has always been downstream of good thinking. The average language model can help you write faster—but can it help you think better? Danny Aziz wrestled with this question while building the new version of Spiral, an AI writing partner informed by our editorial ...

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We Taught AI to Play Games—Now It’s a $3.6 Million Company

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This episode is a little different from our usual fare: It’s a conversation with our head of AI training Alex Duffy about Good Start Labs, a company he incubated inside Every. Today, Good Start Labs is spinning out of Every as a separate company with $3.6 million in funding ...

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Box CEO Aaron Levie on Why AI Agents Won’t Take Your Job

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Aaron Levie is AI-pilled, but he’s one of the few CEOs who sees a future where AI agents work for us, instead of replacing us—helping us to do more than we could before. Aaron’s been the CEO of Box for 20 years–long enough to see a few tech revolutions up close—and taking t...

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MCP Servers: Teaching AI to Use the Internet Like Humans

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If your MCP server has dozens of tools, it’s probably built wrong.You need tools that are specific and clear for each use case—but you also can’t have too many. This creates an almost impossible tradeoff that most companies don’t know how to solve. That’s why we interviewed...

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Cognition’s CEO on What Comes After Code

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The future has a way of showing up early to some places. In software engineering, one of those places is Cognition—the startup that made headlines in early 2024 with Devin, the world’s first autonomous coding agent, and more recently with its acquisition of the AI code edito...

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One Developer Got Thousands of Users Before His App Launched

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Naveen Naidu built an app that found product-market fit backwards.Most apps launch first and then try to find users. Monologue, Naveen’s AI voice dictation app that came out of beta yesterday, did the opposite. It built a following of thousands of users during its incubation ...

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Claude Code Can Be Your Second Brain

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Noah Brier uses Claude Code as his second brain—it’s the coolest notetaking setup we’ve ever seen. He has Claude running on a server in his basement hooked up to a VPN. It stores, reads, and writes to thousands of notes in his Obsidian vault. He does it all from his phone. W...

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This AI Makes a Video Game World in 40 Milliseconds

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We had Dean Leitersdorf on the pod and he did something no guest had ever done. Mid-sentence, he transformed from a startup founder in a black t-shirt to a wizard with light shooting from his hands. Then, he was in a white-walled game universe, and when he picked up the tiss...

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Best of the Pod: How to Prepare for AGI According to Reid Hoffman

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AGI is coming. Reid Hoffman just wrote the book on how to prepare. According to Reid, every major tech breakthrough (the written word, the printing press, the telephone) triggered mass fear. But, contrary to our worries, new technology tends to enhance human agency—even more...

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Best of the Pod: She Built an AI Product Manager Bringing in Six Figures—As A Side Hustle

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**Automate 80% of your repetitive writing, thinking, and creative tasks****Try Spiral made by Dan Shipper & Every: https://spiral.computer?utm_source=youtube** Claire Vo built ChatPRD—an on-demand chief product officer powered by AI. It’s now used by over 10,000 product ...

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Best of the Pod: Vercel's Guillermo Rauch on AI and the Future of Coding

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Read Dan Shipper's essay on the allocation economy: https://every.to/chain-of-thought/the-knowledge-economy-is-over-welcome-to-the-allocation-economy Guillermo Rauch is one of the most prolific coders of this generation. But he doesn’t think of himself as a coder anymore. C...

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Best of the Pod: Dwarkesh Patel’s Quest to Learn Everything

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Dwarkesh Patel is on a quest to know everything. He’s using LLMs to enhance how he reads, learns, thinks, and conducts interviews. Dwarkesh is a podcaster who’s interviewed a wide range of people, like Mark Zuckerberg, Tony Blair, and Marc Andreesen. Before conducting ea...

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Intentional Tech: Designing AI for Human Flourishing | Alex Komoroske, Cofounder and CEO of Common Tools

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The smallest technical decisions become humanity's biggest pivots: The same-origin policy—a well-intentioned browser security rule from the 1990s—accidentally created Facebook, Google, and every data monopoly since. It locks your data in silos—and you stayed where your stuf...

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Arc Had Millions of Users. Why They Left It Behind for Dia. | Josh Miller and Hursh Agrawal, cofounders of The Browser Company

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If you had millions of people using a product you spent years building, would you kill it? That’s exactly what The Browser Company did with Arc. The internet backlash was intense, but cofounders Josh Miller and Hursh Agrawal saw that AI was about to make the web something ...

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How We Built Our AI Email Assistant: A Behind-the-Scenes Look at Cora

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You don’t need to handle your inbox anymore. It’s Cora’s job now.  Cora is the AI chief of staff we built for your email at Every. It’s been in private beta for the last 6 months and currently manages email for 2,500 beta users—and today we’re making it available for a...

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Inside OpenAI: Coaching the People Creating AGI | Joe Hudson, Founder of The Art of Accomplishment

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Joe Hudson is a coach who works with the executives building AGI at OpenAI.  From inside OpenAI, he witnesses the full spectrum of human emotion that comes with bringing something new into the world—the exhilaration, the terror, the weight of it all. He feels these emo...

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How Two Engineers Ship Like a Team of 15 With AI Agents | Kieran Klaassen, Nityesh Agarwal

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If you’re using AI to just write code, you’re missing out. Two engineers at Every shipped six features, five bug fixes, and three infrastructure updates in one week—and they did it by designing workflows with AI agents, where each task makes the next one easier, faster, and...

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The Future of AI in Medicine: From Rules to Intuition | Awais Aftab, Psychiatrist and writer

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OCD treatment changed my life—but it took me a decade of chasing down wrong answers to be diagnosed. In the rush to create scalable treatments, disorders like depression and OCD are squeezed into diagnostic checklists—from which the complexity of the human mind invariably ...

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GitHub CEO on the AI Coding Arms Race: One Agent, 150M+ Devs

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GitHub Copilot has 15 million users—more than Cursor and Windsurf combined. So why does it feel like they're losing the AI coding race? Last week at Microsoft Build, I interviewed the CEO of GitHub Thomas Dohmke to find out. I wanted to know: Is their huge existing user ba...

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Kevin Scott on The Future of Programming, AI Agents, and Microsoft’s Big Bet on the Agentic Web

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I interviewed Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott about the future of agents and software engineering for another special edition of AI & I.  With 41 years of programming behind him, Kevin has lived through nearly every big shift in modern software development. Here’s his cl...

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OpenAI Launches Codex: An Autonomous Programming Agent

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OpenAI just launched Codex, a brand-new coding agent that can build features and fix bugs autonomously. We’ve been testing it at Every for a few days, and I’m impressed. I invited Alexander Embiricos, a member of the OpenAI product staff responsible for Codex, to demo the a...

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The $10B Hedge Fund CEO Who’s Betting Big on AI | Will England, Walleye Capital

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Will England just pivoted his $10B AUM hedge fund to go all in on AI with a firm-wide email: “I wrote this email using ChatGPT—you should too. As a hedge fund, we should be ashamed to leave money on the table by ignoring AI.” It’s working: 75% of his 400-person team are usin...

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Jhana Meditation Silenced Her Mind—And Changed Her View On AI | Nadia Asparouhova, Author and researcher

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After two Jhana meditation retreats Nadia Asparouhova could silence her mind, change her emotional state at will, and even intentionally slip out of consciousness. It challenged the idea that our minds are not under our control—and made her wonder if we’re more like AI than ...

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The Next AI Wave Will Be Social, Not Solo | Sarah Tavel, Benchmark and ex-Pinterest

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Sarah Tavel thinks it's criminal that ChatGPT isn’t inherently social. There’s no easy way to discover great prompts or share the ones that worked. As a venture partner at Benchmark, Sarah believes that the next wave of consumer AI will be built on this missing social layer...

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How to Predict the Future With Kevin Kelly, WIRED's Cofounder

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Kevin Kelly has spent more time thinking about the future than almost anyone else. From VR in the 1980s to the blockchain in the 2000s—and now generative AI—Kevin has spent a lifetime journeying to the frontiers of technology, only to return with rich stories about what’s n...