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Learn how the smartest people in the world are using AI to think, create, and relate. Each week I interview founders, filmmakers, writers, investors, and others about how they use AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Midjourney in their work and in their lives. We screen-share through their historical chats and then experiment with AI live on the show. Join us to discover how AI is changing how we think about our world—and ourselves. For more essays, interviews, and experiments at the forefront of AI: https://every.to/chain-of-thought?sort=newest.

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• Dan Shipper

The Founder of a $1.5B AI Company on What Comes After the First Wave of AI Apps

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“Running a startup is a knife fight whether things are going well or not,” says Chris Pedregal, cofounder and CEO of Granola. Granola recently raised a $125 million series C round at a $1.5 billion valuation on the strength of its AI meeting notetaker. That valuation hasn’t ...

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How a Writer Uses AI Without Losing His Voice

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Craig Mod used to pay Campaign Monitor roughly $7,000 a year to send his newsletters. After rebuilding the tool himself with AI, his bill is closer to $150. It’s the kind of thing that convinces him we’re about to enter a “golden age of tool building”—one where anyone can bu...

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The AI Workflows Behind Every's Consulting Team

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Natalia Quintero joined Every as head of consulting with a mandate to bring AI into the workflows of executives at hedge funds, private equity firms, and tech companies. She is also a recent Codex convert—someone who spent months resisting the tool before Dan Shipper’s daily...

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Building a School Where AI Models Learn About Humanity

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If scaling laws hold—and Surge AI CEO Edwin Chen believes they do—we’re hurtling toward a future where there’s nothing humans can do that AI can’t do better. When OpenAI’s models disproved an open conjecture posed by mathematician Paul Erdős using novel algebraic geometry te...

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GitHub’s COO Explains Why AI Hasn’t Replaced Developers

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Last year, there were 1 billion commits on GitHub. This year, Kyle Daigle expects that number to exceed 14 billion, a two-component explosion caused by more humans—and their agents—issuing pull requests. In March alone, 17 million pull requests on GitHub were created by agen...

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How Anthropic Uses Claude Fable 5 With Mike Krieger

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Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as the cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of AI-native product development as head of Anthropic Labs, the team responsible for figuring out what the most capable AI models ca...

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The SaaS Apocalypse Is a Goldmine With Figma’s Matt Colyer

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The "SaaSpocalypse"—the panic that AI will make software-as-a-service obsolete—hasn't rattled Figma’s Matt Colyer. As the company’s director of product management for developers, he's been building his own agents for two years and is buying more software services than ever.I...

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We Automated Everything With AI and Tripled Our Headcount

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Dan Shipper runs one of the most AI-native companies today. Every has agents embedded in nearly every workflow—“if you swing a stick in our Slack, you're as likely to hit a human as an agent,” he says. And yet the company has grown from four people to 30 since GPT-3 came out...

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Inside Stainless: The Developer Tools Startup Anthropic Just Bought for $300 Million

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If your MCP server has dozens of tools, it's probably built wrong. You need tools that are specific and clear for each use case—but you also can't have too many. This creates an almost impossible tradeoff that most companies don't know how to solve. That's why we interviewed...

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The AI Model Built for What LLMs Can't Do

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Most AI companies are racing to build bigger LLMs. Eve Bodnia thinks that's the wrong approach. Eve is the founder and CEO of Logical Intelligence, which is developing an alternative to the transformer-based models dominating the industry. Her argument: LLMs’ architecture ma...

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We Gave Every Employee an AI Agent. Here's What Happened.

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While walking to the office, our COO Brandon Gell had his AI agent call him and go over his emails in his inbox one by one. When he arrived, he opened Gmail and confirmed she'd done everything he'd asked. "My jaw is on the floor," he messaged me. That was the moment Every go...

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If SaaS Is Dead, Linear Didn't Get the Memo

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Founded in 2019, Linear is the rare company started pre-ChatGPT to have successfully reinvented itself as an agent-native business. On this episode of AI & I, Dan Shipper sat down with Karri Saarinen, cofounder and CEO of the product management tool, to discuss building ...

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How to Build an Agent-native Product | Mike Krieger

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Mike Krieger built one of the most consequential consumer apps of the last two decades as cofounder of Instagram. He is now at the frontier of determining what makes a breakout AI-native product as co-lead of Anthropic Labs. Dan Shipper talked with Krieger for Every’s AI &am...

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Kate Lee on Taste, Hiring, and Running Editorial at Every

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Kate Lee has spent her career working with words—first as a literary agent, then in roles at Medium, WeWork, and Stripe. As Every’s editor in chief, she’s been the quiet force behind the newsletter for more than three years. Lately, something has shifted in Kate’s work. Afte...

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We Made a Document Editor Where Humans and AI Work Side by Side

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Every has unveiled a new product, built by CEO Dan Shipper. It's called Proof, a free, open-source, live collaborative document editor built for humans and AI agents to work in together. Proof started as a Mac app designed to show the provenance of AI-written ...

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Meet the Slowest Startup Incubator in the World—Pumping Out Billion-dollar Companies

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Silicon Valley loves billion-dollar moonshots and AI darlings. Sam Gerstenzang and Dan Friedman are doing something different—they're starting medical spas and funeral homes. On this episode of AI & I, Dan Shipper sat down with Gerstenzang and Friedman, partners at Boult...

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Meet the Student With No Teachers, No Homework—Just AI

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Depending on whom you ask, AI is either the best or worst thing that can happen to the next generation. The arguments come from educators, venture capitalists, op-ed writers, and anxious parents—but rarely from the young people in question. On this episode of AI & I, D...

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OpenAI's Codex: This Model Is So Fast It Changes How You Code

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OpenAI’s hottest app isn’t ChatGPT—it’s Codex. In the last few weeks alone, the Codex team shipped a desktop app, GPT-5.3 Codex (a new flagship model), and Spark, the fastest coding model I’ve ever used. Usage has grown fivefold since January, and over a million people now u...

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Inside OpenAI’s Agentic Browser, Atlas

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The AI labs fighting for attention during the Super Bowl call to mind another iconic Super Bowl moment: Apple’s 1984 ad for the Macintosh, which promised that the personal computer would be a source of unbound wonder, freedom, and delight. They were right, but over time, the...

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How We Built 'Claudie,' Our AI Project Manager (Full Walkthrough)

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A few weeks ago, Natalia Quintero wouldn’t have called herself technical. But since the beginning of January, she has woken up at 6 a.m. to vibe code with Claude. The AI project manager she built saved her 14 hours a week.  Getting there meant scrapping the system three...

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How Andrew Wilkinson Uses Opus 4.5 in His Work and Life

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Entrepreneur Andrew Wilkinson used to sleep nine hours a night. Now he wakes up at 4 a.m. and goes straight to work—because he can’t wait to keep building with Anthropic’s latest model, Opus 4.5. Two years ago, Wilkinson was obsessed with vibe coding on AI software developme...

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Why Your AI Learning Projects Keep Fizzling Out

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LLMs have made it absurdly easy to go deep on almost any topic. So why haven’t we all used ChatGPT to earn college degrees we wished we had majored in or pursued a niche interest, like learning how to name the trees in our neighborhood? I know I’m not the only one to feel gu...

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Vibe Check: Claude Cowork Is Claude Code for the Rest of Us

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01:32:44
Anthropic just dropped Claude Cowork—essentially Claude Code for everyone, not just engineers—and we got to chat about it with a product engineer at Anthropic who helped build it. In this live Vibe Check, Dan Shipper and Kieran Klaassen explore the new interface together, t...

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AI in 2026: Reid Hoffman’s Predictions on Agents, Work, and Creation

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From cofounding LinkedIn to backing OpenAI early, Reid Hoffman is in the habit of being right about the future, so we wanted to know what he saw coming in 2026. In his third appearance on AI & I, Hoffman lays out his predictions for where AI will go in the 12 months ahea...

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Four Predictions for How AI Will Change Software in 2026

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Tomorrow is the first day of 2026, and to give our listeners a view of the trends that’ll shape the year ahead, Dan Shipper had Every COO Brandon Gell on AI & I to discuss their predictions for what’s next. They discussed how software will be built, who will build it, and...

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Best of the Pod: Reid Hoffman on How AI Is Answering Our Biggest Questions

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Learn how to use philosophy to run your business more effectively. Reid Hoffman thinks a masters in philosophy will help you run your business better than an MBA. Reid is a founder, investor, podcaster, and author. But before he did any of these things, he studied philosop...

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Jhana Meditation Live: How Anyone Can Achieve Super Wellbeing

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We had someone guide himself toward Jhana live on our podcast. And he narrated himself from start to finish. Jhanas are meditative bliss states and they traditionally require thousands of hours of practice. But Stephen Zerfas and his team at Jhourney are changing that—creati...

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She Turned Her Whole Life Into Training Data—For an AI Baby

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Sarah Rose Siskind is incubating two types of intelligence at once: her unborn child, and FetusGPT—an LLM trained on nothing but what she hears and says throughout the day. This includes Seinfeld episodes, YouTube videos about lemurs, eight hours of snoring per night—and eve...

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Why Opus 4.5 Just Became the Most Influential AI Model

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The world changed last week—Opus 4.5 is the best coding model Dan has ever used. It can keep coding and coding autonomously without tripping over itself—and it marks a completely new horizon for the craft of programming. The dream is here: You can write English, and make sof...

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Best of the Pod: Would You Shut Down Your Most Successful Product? The Arc to Dia Story

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If you had millions of people using a product you spent years building, would you kill it? That’s exactly what The Browser Company did with Arc. Originally recorded in July before The Browser Company’s acquisition by software giant Atlassian earlier this year, we’re republ...